For my own records.
1. Math, Calculus and counting
I never quite understood calculus until I heard someone put it this way, not the original words but the basic ideas: before calculus, we are doing measuring shapes of very conventional shapes, like squares, rectangles, triangles, we got all the simple formulas, mutilple by each sides etc. then how about irregular shapes, how do we calculate the areas? yes we do it by couting tiny unit squares inside whatever shapes, then sum the whole thing we got the area! does it sound familiar, yes its almost the idea of Riemann sum, which is the very foundation of calculus. of course things get messier and messier after introducing more shapes functions and extended everything into higher dimensions, like not only do we want to calculate area which is summation of 2D space, we also want to know the volume aka 3D space summation.
So, all i want to say is, calculus is mathmatical counting at a more general/complicated level, with calulus we count every fucking thing. This is in fact in line with the basic idea of math(or my personal very shallow idea of what math actually is), math is counting, of couse people will argue its more than that! but I insist, the very core idea of math is counting, and only after that do we have all the general summaries of truth or patterns discovered by counting numbers. then why do we count? because we need to measure. how do we measure? we measure by addition. we mearue length by counting all the unit dots in a line; we measure areas by adding unit lines together, imagine adding all unit dots in one line, then do it repeatly, which is how multiplying works; we measure volumes by adding areas together, which feels like an iteration of areas addition on top of an iteration of lines addition on top of an iteration of unit dots addition. how about 4th dimention then? another iteration on top of 3d measures.
Back to the idea, why do I talk about elementary computations that every kid knows? Because I want to conclude(feel free to disagree) that math is about counting, and finding patterns through counting. We use counting to measure/symbolize/understand world. I guess thats why peopel always say math is the closest to truth/nature/god etc.
2.logic and programming
Lets start with a basic question. What is computer? Its a machine which do computing just like its name! how does it do it? it does computations by fliping bits which is the basic unit of chips, by fliping massive amount of tiny bits in very short period of time, computers counting/computing/recording numbers. So again, what exactly does computer do? put it in a more abstract way, it does simulations of complicated computing procejures.
One word, simulations, it is what I want to describe the essence of computers in relation with the major topics I want to talk about here.These multi-stage simulations are carried out by a combination of computing numbers and logics simulations. Here I first mentioned logic. In mathmatics, logic has more rigorious definition, but I want to think it in a simple way, it is the glue to gluing numbers counting and stages of counting together.
So what is programming according to all my previous definitions of logic and computers? I think, programming is to create simulations of combinations of different countings and logics, though this whole process takes so many stages from a bit flip on the chips to high level programming abstractions like declare a variable.
3.to put it simple
To summarize, math is counting, programming is to create simulations of countings glued by logics. computer gives us tremendous amount of power to do all kinds of simulations, and by doing all these simulations we can find answers to specific questions, we can optimize answers, we can basically simulate/abstract/recreate the real world since we already tried to simulate everything.
4.why are we talking about all these abstract concepts?
The point is simulation.
We want to simulate everything in real world. and math, logic and programming are the tools we use to build all kinds of simulations. Essentially, we are recreating the real world in a digital/mathmatical/logical(simplified) way. When people are talking about AI, machine learning, all kinds of algorithms, and sounds crazy concepts like AI taking over the world, mind uploading, maybe all these could be viewed in a different way: they all are simulations of the real world. Then they are not so mind blowing after all, they are in fact the very logical progression of human civilazition, we are in fact heading towards another new world which is created by ourselves based on abstractions of the pyhsical world.
5.how does it relate to the movie?
The movie introduced very advanced concepts like AI master control program, human digitalized into computer simulated world, they look fictional, they sound unreal. However, they are in line with the directions we are heading to. And it is in some sense definitive. I personally believe they are achievable, people say si-fi predicts the future, I think si-fi draws blueprints for the future and we humans create the future based on it. Anyway, I think this movie was so advanced and still relating till this day, we are heading towards all the ideas this movie presented.
凯文·弗林flynn(杰夫·布里吉斯 Jeff Bridges 饰)是个天才程序员,然而曾经开发的数款游戏软件被前同事盗取,同事也因此成了公司高层,自己则被解雇。这家公司的主控制程序越来越不服从人类的控制,随意将其他程序关押起来,并强迫它们不断地进行各种各样的死亡竞技游戏,野心不断膨胀主控制程序甚至企图控制全人类。公司的工程师艾伦设计了一个针对它的监控程序tron,而这个TRON也被困在了主控程序设计的训练游戏里。艾伦求助于凯文,凯文也想证实那些游戏自己的作品,于是试图进入主控制程序,不料主控制程序察觉了凯文的动作,通过分子扫描将他吸进程序空间变成了程序并关押起来。flynn和程序tron、ram、yori合力毁灭了主控程序,虚拟世界恢复了正常。 赛博空间中角斗场飞盘大战、极光彩带高速赛车、坦克和守护者追击拍得挺不错的。程序居然也分男女,还有感情,还会KISS。 《电子世界争霸战》是史上第一部赛博空间(cyberspace)题材电影,赛博空间即为计算机中的虚拟空间。 1982年Disney公司的作品,个人电脑还未真正进入家庭,画面和现在不能比,但它的概念和技术都是超前的。2007年,美国视效协会(VES)评选出了历史上最具影响力的50部特效电影,本片排在星球大战、银翼杀手、2001太空漫游、黑客帝国、侏罗纪公园之后,位列第六。美国电脑图形学会将这部电影视为电脑图形的里程碑、分水岭,认为它开创了CG电影时代。
《電子世界爭霸戰》的畫面或許在今天看來很粗糙,但箇中的命題卻仍未過時,尤其最後映著夜色漸濃的城市儼如錯綜複雜的電路板那幕實是看得有點茫然,人實是在不自覺間漸漸被科技帶著走而迷失……
央视播的配音版简直令人蛋碎。。。真不如直接看网上(无字幕)英文版的。。。
在1983年,此电影算是超后现代了。估计大多数人都是不理解这个电影吧!下了两次终于看完了。将一个人虚拟化--是不是就是将一个人变成能力高的过程啊。得化多少的能量啊!jeff.briges这也太年轻了吧!----纪念这个比我老的电影
我可能是豆瓣里唯一一个拥有此片游戏的人!~
大胆的想象、幼稚可笑又保守的情节、理性的预言。督爷也年轻过!特效很雷,后来看习惯了,觉得还不错。绝大多数科幻电影拍起来有难度,目的又不是太纯,所以滞后小说很多代。像这种形式特异的还真不多。
三十年前的画面 很喜感 不过算是开创性质的影片啦 但是很有内涵啊!!!
虽然那时的特效看起来像任天堂的8位游戏机画面,但影片的硬科幻精髓是具有跨时代意义的!游戏和现实,分子扫描和物体空间传递,这一切就是未来!【遗产】虽技术上一日千里,遗憾的是没有遗传到这一部的硬科幻精髓!★★★★
飞机晚点 我翻出笔记本看这片 友人无法理解为啥我能看下去 我只好苦口婆心的解释这作为一部八十年代的电影 里面所有的特效在当年肯定都牛逼得一塌糊涂 所有赛博朋克的早期作品对已经习惯了当今网络化的我们来说都是神一般的预言
當年CG的革命性作品,地位不亞於後來的無底洞,只可惜劇情太爛。
也许过不了多久,有意复制这种八十年代科幻电影风格的片子也会出现。
本片获第55届奥斯卡最佳服装设计和音效提名。在1982年,这部影片就超前地应用计算机辅助设计,大量展示三维立体绘图的特效。这种特效对于我们现在的人来说也许是可以嗤之以鼻的,但是在那个美国只有80186,80286,而国内刚刚仿制成功8086,大多数国人还不知道什么是计算机的时代,就是一种奇迹了。
这就是电影特效史的丰碑,它已经被时间证明了价值。
C6看完。总结。一太超前,在30年前明显被低估。二关于虚拟空间,本片为以后科幻电影打开了新的大门,此后很多经典影视的灵感都来自这部。 三没有前两年的创战纪,这片子依然被埋没。四一些核心内容,虚拟人物,情节,虚拟空间等都缺乏铺垫和介绍,算是硬伤。五视觉上碉堡,令人眼前一亮.
虽然在那个年代画面特效有所限制,但是那种没有倒角的建模和单色调的画面相比第二部《创战记》却更像程序中世界,一些发明很有创意和超前性。剧情一般,Red死前和Flynn相认的那段还算感人,很囧的是Flynn后来给Tron戴了个绿帽子,难怪《创:战纪》Tron要追着他杀…Boss主要输在轻敌和误用了Shark这蠢货
就算是在当年看这电影也是太差,两星给当年的特效
对于那个年代来说太超前了。所以真的很厉害,除了编剧大概其他人都不懂什么意思,但还是勇敢地拍摄了,简直羞耻play。尽管特效渣但是剧情相当好玩,女主无论哪个次元都很多余。天啊!赐我一个完美战士Tron吧!Flynn真苏啊,三次元有Alan,二次元有Tron……
《电子争霸战》的故事实际上是对1939年的影片《绿野仙踪》(The Wizard of Oz)的一种重写:同样是一个人坠入另一个世界,他/她必须打败黑巫师,回到自己的世界中去。从骨子里说,这是一个当代神话故事,它第一次提出了真实世界与虚拟世界这样一种二元对立的世界观。如果说,弗兰肯斯坦的故事将西方固有的“神—人”对立变成了“人—人造物”的对立,堪称工业化时代的表述;那么对赛博空间的描写,则可以算一种“科技创世”了:人类不再仅仅是创造了像弗兰肯斯坦那样的一个物种,他们可以创造整个虚拟世界!《电子争霸战》奠定了后来此类影片的基本元素,比如:想反控人类的邪恶计算机;强大到足以控制世界的大公司;由交错闪烁的网格构成的虚拟空间;游戏化的战斗方式;以病毒来攻击主机的最终解决办法等等。
成本达到了令人瞠目结舌的1700万,84年的《终结者》才600万,鬼知道这剧组贪了多少钱。要是为了研究赛博风电影,可以看看本片。占重头戏的建模太粗糙了,里面的电子世界就是些简单的立体方块的线条堆砌,比两年后的《最后的星空战士》都糙一截。这个冒险故事的主线编的无聊,程序员布里奇斯为了讨回自己游戏的知识产权,被吸入电子世界经历了一番反抗者的冒险,捎带把智能化到威胁人类社会的主程序毁了,全片大量戏份是几个主角在灯管一样的程序世界跑来跑去跑来跑去,人物也写的烂,女主协助男主的动机从全片来看,唯一解释是男主和她玩了一次躲猫猫。1982年作出这种垃圾特效并没什么了不起,哈里豪森的定格动画跟卢卡斯的模型渲染已经很成熟了,而且这片还用什么“构建连接线”之类似是而非其实胡说八道的东西,来装成硬核的样子,抢题材动机十足
跟Star Trek第一部电影一样,更多是在于视觉展示。先有赛车游戏还是先有贪吃蛇的?
30年前的电脑极客动作科幻电影。技术非常有限,终结者侏罗纪的CG技术还都是10年后的事儿。虽然一些特效简陋得与动画无异,但思想还是很牛的。30年后的《创·战纪》一些场面等和本片如出一辙,足以见其前卫性。《南方公园》也曾向其致敬。本片激励了皮克斯元老们发展动画电影,发行方迪士尼却落后了